http://www.4tougeforum.com/feed/? Latest topics Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:17:02 GMT 10 http://www.4touge.com/images/header_img/rotate.php http://www.4tougeforum.com/feed/? http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/power-vs-control-t990.htm TouringBubble Thoughts? When do you reach the point of "too much power?" I think the concept really depends on the skill of the driver and the venue, and I think most would agree. Drag cars with 9 billion horsepower are fine ... they just go straight. As long as it's aligned well, a novice driver can hold a tame drag car in the lane. Tires are most important here ... I'm talking about the stuff we do ... corners. Sweepers, hairpins, chicanes, esses. Is your car reaching a point where ... Methodology Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:34:57 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/power-vs-control-t990.htm#18869 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/power-vs-control-t990.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/touge-safety-why-we-dont-cross-double-yellows-t2409.htm ~The_Duke~ I found this on 240atlanta, they werent even running a mountain or anything. The driver of this mazda crossed the double yellow, couldnt see around a corner or another veichle and nailed this F250 head on... http://www.rockdalecitizen.com/newtonnews/headlines/95584549.html Things like this is why we dont cross double yellows... Methodology Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:17:02 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/touge-safety-why-we-dont-cross-double-yellows-t2409.htm#52412 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/touge-safety-why-we-dont-cross-double-yellows-t2409.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/course-mapping-t2388.htm scars_of_carma It's sad to say this but it's been too long since I practiced on the local touge's. I want to keep my memory sharp so I decided to start course-mapping. Shown here are elevation and yard markers for a section of my home course. I'll add more specific hand-written notes on various corners and surface conditions later in the margins. You may ask why I didn't number the corners like a track? The reason is touge is driven in either lane, in either direction. I wouldn't even label this section ... Methodology Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:26:05 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/course-mapping-t2388.htm#51964 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/course-mapping-t2388.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-pace-leading-a-pack-and-newbs-t2374.htm ghostrat There are several people on this board who come off as incredibly cool, so I'd like to ask your opinions. http://a2sportcompacts.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2573 Basically, when it comes to the extremely rare set of good curves we have in Michigan, do you think I should just tell everyone where they are? I've driven the local roads thousands of times, and before Google Maps came out I had to find them the old fashioned way... with a mini flashlight and a paper map at 2 in the morning. I ... Methodology Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:05:02 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-pace-leading-a-pack-and-newbs-t2374.htm#51697 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-pace-leading-a-pack-and-newbs-t2374.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-ve-lost-it-now-what-do-i-do-t2315.htm ~The_Duke~
What do you do now?

What are your methods on how to recover such an incident?]]> Methodology Wed, 12 May 2010 00:33:30 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-ve-lost-it-now-what-do-i-do-t2315.htm#50497 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-ve-lost-it-now-what-do-i-do-t2315.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/everyone-should-read-this-if-they-have-any-interest-in-sports-cars-t2243.htm ghostrat http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets.html


This will clear up any and all misinformation regarding how to design and adjust suspensions for sports cars, at least in my opinion.]]> Methodology Fri, 02 Apr 2010 05:40:24 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/everyone-should-read-this-if-they-have-any-interest-in-sports-cars-t2243.htm#48530 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/everyone-should-read-this-if-they-have-any-interest-in-sports-cars-t2243.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/too-far-t2236.htm Keegan Sure the guy was probably going faster than the speed limit, but then again he probably would have been fine...but with the cop sitting there like that, he decided to grab the brakes which is a lot of peoples response I'd think and that layed him out... your call? Methodology Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:48:53 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/too-far-t2236.htm#48302 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/too-far-t2236.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/constructive-criticism-t2084.htm specVance
We already criticize each others grammar to make it better lets do the same for driving.]]> Methodology Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:36:33 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/constructive-criticism-t2084.htm#44501 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/constructive-criticism-t2084.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/leadfoot_mf-s-snow-driving-101-t2034.htm leadfoot_mf How to Drive like a Pro in the Snow. Snow driving is all about abrupt erratic behavior. 1. Always drive in a lower gear than you would normally use. This way you cars power band is ready and willing for anything you throw at it. 2. use jerky hand movements on the wheel. Really throw that sucker around. 3. Get on and off the brakes as hard and fast as possible. 4. Stab at the throttle treat it like an on/off switch like the throttle in GT1. follow these steps and ... Methodology Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:25:15 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/leadfoot_mf-s-snow-driving-101-t2034.htm#42889 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/leadfoot_mf-s-snow-driving-101-t2034.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/whats-your-worst-attribute-nemesis-on-teh-touge-t1016.htm Erv i hate blind lefts i always overbrake those Methodology Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:27:40 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/whats-your-worst-attribute-nemesis-on-teh-touge-t1016.htm#19545 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/whats-your-worst-attribute-nemesis-on-teh-touge-t1016.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/trail-braking-t1361.htm leadfoot_mf Anybody Trail Brake i do all the time always have so not a big deal to me. but some people are scared of it. Methodology Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:07:15 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/trail-braking-t1361.htm#28211 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/trail-braking-t1361.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-m-curious-how-everyone-takes-corners-t1287.htm Keegan Describe how you brake, downshift, turn, accelerate, and exit a corner. Are you in the gear you need before entering the corner. What about decreasing corners where you'll be down shifting while cornering...explain. ------------------------------------------------------- I know one thing I do that has really helped...it's a tip that i never really thought about until I tried it. I got it from my Dad's friend that is a BMW driving instructor. He said when taking a corner, let's say a ... Methodology Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:21:01 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-m-curious-how-everyone-takes-corners-t1287.htm#26848 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-m-curious-how-everyone-takes-corners-t1287.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/dana-s-touge-sermons-t1030.htm Keegan

The meak shall inherit the Earth but the fast will thrive on the touge...


please continue in like fashion. a phrase that is of religious origin but spin it to include touge or something homologous.]]> Methodology Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:13:30 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/dana-s-touge-sermons-t1030.htm#19866 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/dana-s-touge-sermons-t1030.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-learned-some-things-this-weekend-t1715.htm ~The_Duke~ Everytime drive this thing hard I learn something new about how handle it and drive it better, but Ia m curious to see what some like minded people have to say about it. So I was having a good ol time with the DCCD while autoxing. I start out with AUTO, and I run a good time. I lead my class for 1 run. It handled good, but it pushed pretty hardcore when I entered even the slightest bit to fast. That is 100% for this car stock from what I have read, so I decided to try 85% (setting right ... Methodology Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:20:50 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-learned-some-things-this-weekend-t1715.htm#34858 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/i-learned-some-things-this-weekend-t1715.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/just-something-to-keep-in-everyone-s-mind-t298.htm 2thAche I trust that you all are drivers who want to be smart as well as fast, and I've read the philosophy here and agree completely. I heard recently that they are working on locking down Deal's Gap with more police patrols etc because of incidents. We can't do much about what other people do, but one of my greatest worries is that as more people become interested in touge, the chance will grow that some freak incident will rob us all of enjoying what we love, running the mountain roads. The ... Methodology Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:30:58 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/just-something-to-keep-in-everyone-s-mind-t298.htm#6011 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/just-something-to-keep-in-everyone-s-mind-t298.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/which-oil-t1929.htm bomjoon i have 3 qts of amsoil in my garage... and i need to do my oil change before i drive 6 hours to mississippi for the thanksgiving dinner i thought about using the castrol edge for a while since they have it at walmart... but then the $10 difference is kinda high when you can have the mobil 1 for $20. i dont have time to wait for the amsoil to be delivered to me... what would you use? i do have 2 gallons of mix match oils in my garage... 2qts of Royal purple/ 3qts of ... Methodology Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:19:23 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/which-oil-t1929.htm#39982 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/which-oil-t1929.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-pace-of-touge-t1918.htm scars_of_carma I think its wise to think about what your purpose and pace is going to be before you go out for a drive. A fun-run is not the same as practice, testing or touge-time-attack. Fun Run Fun-runs are what touge is all about. They are supposed to be enjoyable and exciting. That does not mean you should be full-throttle and white-knuckled holding your breath around every turn. The touge is all about 7/10th's driving. If 7/10th's is not fun anymore see below and practice. Then try again. ... Methodology Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:43:37 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-pace-of-touge-t1918.htm#39665 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-pace-of-touge-t1918.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-link-t1916.htm bomjoon http://542542.com/current_positions]]> Methodology Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:09:39 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-link-t1916.htm#39625 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-link-t1916.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/navigation-notes-t1902.htm TouringBubble


]]> Methodology Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:58:43 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/navigation-notes-t1902.htm#39269 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/navigation-notes-t1902.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/using-brakes-t1849.htm scars_of_carma What happens when you step on the brake pedal? LOTS of things happen but the specifics don't matter. As the driver all you are concerned with is feel and control. I'll say it again, feel and control. I could tell you the entire chain of events that happens so your foot can stop the tires but it'd probably literally take pages... so lets just concentrate on the byproducts of braking. Namely; Bite, Traction, Slip, Fade and weight-transfer. The initial feel of the brakes is what I call ... Methodology Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:06:53 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/using-brakes-t1849.htm#37868 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/using-brakes-t1849.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/touge-day-or-night-t1044.htm Erv
personally i prefer night

less traffic as a result less cops
i can slow down when i see a car, since i can see them further away, around corners even.
wildlife is not a concern, rather it is not anymore prevalent at night than day.]]> Methodology Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:11:35 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/touge-day-or-night-t1044.htm#20165 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/touge-day-or-night-t1044.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/proper-heel-toe-technique-t1300.htm RoMe

Have we discussed this before?]]> Methodology Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:11:53 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/proper-heel-toe-technique-t1300.htm#27221 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/proper-heel-toe-technique-t1300.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/funny-s-t1187.htm bomjoon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlnFqq0_KT0

after 5:00 it gets funny as shiit.


i was cracking up throught the whole thing]]> Methodology Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:47:37 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/funny-s-t1187.htm#24393 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/funny-s-t1187.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/ok-i-r-confusoredinput-please-t1109.htm Erv everything I have ever read says that having busy hands makes you slower, but, whenever i try to drive smooth, it's always slower. I assume that with everything there are exceptions to the rule. What confuses me is; If I were to figure out how to drive smoother would I become faster or is it just what I have become accustomed to. Like everything else, I tend to do it bassackwards, or at bare minimum against the grain. The only thing I get from this is that maybe what works for others ... Methodology Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:07:57 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/ok-i-r-confusoredinput-please-t1109.htm#22000 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/ok-i-r-confusoredinput-please-t1109.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/too-much-power-for-touge-t1052.htm Erv djxib wrote:CTS-VD wrote:hey Andy welcome to the board! is that a manual? staggered zr1 wheels? Hi, yes its a 6-speed, with zr1 wheels. A few performance goodies too (coilovers, forged 383, supercharger, alky) etc. Cheers Andy your car comes off as the perfect example of too much power for the touge Methodology Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:01:44 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/too-much-power-for-touge-t1052.htm#19204 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/too-much-power-for-touge-t1052.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/seat-adjustment-t1023.htm mazeroth
B) How do you get back to your setting after someone else moves your seat around? Do you memorize the clicks or just play with it again until you reach that optimal position?]]> Methodology Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:44 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/seat-adjustment-t1023.htm#19742 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/seat-adjustment-t1023.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/your-thoughts-on-drifting-t989.htm TouringBubble What do you guys think? Valid car control exercise? Acceptable "professional" motorsport? Something for kids to do to be cool? Over sensationalized? Causing too many dumb teenagers to crash 240s? My understanding is that the original purpose of drifting was to open new passing opportunities on the track. It started with Japanese GT drivers ... they could enter a corner faster after/during a pass and then drift to maintain/gain position. This lost speed in the next straight, ... Methodology Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:13:40 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/your-thoughts-on-drifting-t989.htm#18868 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/your-thoughts-on-drifting-t989.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/whats-your-best-driving-characteristic-t992.htm Erv
for me I feel it is course memorization.]]> Methodology Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:55:09 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/whats-your-best-driving-characteristic-t992.htm#19015 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/whats-your-best-driving-characteristic-t992.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/if-you-could-only-give-one-tip-t14.htm Greg OK, if you could only give one tip to someone who is wanting to improve their performance driving, what would it be? Mine is: Slow in, Fast out If you go too deep into a corner, your going to scrub off a lot of time due to the fact that the car is either going to push (understeer) or rotate (oversteer), and you'll have to spend that time correcting it. If you go a little slower into the corner, it'll give you a better corner exit speed for the straight ahead. Methodology Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:28:44 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/if-you-could-only-give-one-tip-t14.htm#60 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/if-you-could-only-give-one-tip-t14.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/how-to-keep-yourself-from-getting-carried-away-t617.htm SidewayZ How can you guys keep from get too excited on a run, driving with other people, and not want to "out run them"? I'm a very competitive person. I've seen some touge runs, one in particular of Jason running against an EVO, WRX and finally a 350Z. And I know if it was me I'd be driving pretty hard. Now I've read the rules of the touge and understand all of them are there for ours and everyone else's safety. But still, answer me how you guys keep all that in check most ... Methodology Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:59:15 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/how-to-keep-yourself-from-getting-carried-away-t617.htm#12387 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/how-to-keep-yourself-from-getting-carried-away-t617.htm http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-drift-grip-relation-t451.htm TougeTuned First off let me state i am only expressing opinions and concepts i have found to be proven effective. your style could be different from mine so no flaming please! Dont race on public roads and if you hurt yourself trying any of this. Don't blame me Lets First tackle the common misconception in the racing world: Grip = Real Racing Drift = Show racing This is simply not true. Its a combination of the two! The deciding factors are: 1.) Your car and its ... Methodology Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:41:33 GMT http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-drift-grip-relation-t451.htm#9031 http://www.4tougeforum.com/methodology-f4/the-drift-grip-relation-t451.htm